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That's called tribalism.

Musterwahn said: 

That's called tribalism.

 Yes, tribalism is a way to explain this, but I am also considering the unitary thinking of each individual in relation to themselves, like forcing personalities that don't even exist

So are you implying that the consciousness of an individual to be (either metaphorically or literally) separate from his body? And I’d like to know if you mean self-knowledge as the comprehended & conceptual understanding of man’s own self and his role in reality or if you mean it as a performative role along with personality and values we adopt and can incentivize us to fall into an ideological trap.

To answer your question, the closest experience of ‘dream-like reality’ for me was derealization. But it was because my perceptual cognition of the world did not produce an emotional reaction (due to subconsciously stressful stimuli), so it left me feeling like the world was unreal for a while. Physiologically, the state increased my sensory awareness of physical reality, but rationally, which is the faculty of the mind that is exclusive to humanity, my knowledge of my self and reality did not lead me to induce that they are metaphysically disconnected or separate.

I mentioned tribalism because: while it is not tribalist in the conventional meaning, someone who resents being closed off from a group is what you’d call a ‘tribal lone wolf.’ As my favorite novelist says, “[He] may [feel] that his “self” is dissociated from his actions, his work, his pursuits, his ideas. All these, he feels, are things that some outside power—society or reality or the material universe—has somehow forced on him. His real ‘self,’ he feels, is some ineffable entity devoid of attributes. One thing is true: his ‘self’ is ineffable, i.e., non-existent.” A case of psychological subjectivism, which may also cause a feeling that you are placed in a ‘dream-like reality.’

Musterwahn said: 

So are you implying that the consciousness of an individual to be (either metaphorically or literally) separate from his body? And I’d like to know if you mean self-knowledge as the comprehended & conceptual understanding of man’s own self and his role in reality or if you mean it as a performative role along with personality and values we adopt and can incentivize us to fall into an ideological trap.

To answer your question, the closest experience of ‘dream-like reality’ for me was derealization. But it was because my perceptual cognition of the world did not produce an emotional reaction (due to subconsciously stressful stimuli), so it left me feeling like the world was unreal for a while. Physiologically, the state increased my sensory awareness of physical reality, but rationally, which is the faculty of the mind that is exclusive to humanity, my knowledge of my self and reality did not lead me to induce that they are metaphysically disconnected or separate.

I mentioned tribalism because: while it is not tribalist in the conventional meaning, someone who resents being closed off from a group is what you’d call a ‘tribal lone wolf.’ As my favorite novelist says, “[He] may [feel] that his “self” is dissociated from his actions, his work, his pursuits, his ideas. All these, he feels, are things that some outside power—society or reality or the material universe—has somehow forced on him. His real ‘self,’ he feels, is some ineffable entity devoid of attributes. One thing is true: his ‘self’ is ineffable, i.e., non-existent.” A case of psychological subjectivism, which may also cause a feeling that you are placed in a ‘dream-like reality.’

I liked your answer, I don't know if you also understand the real problem of identifying what an individual is, it's a logical problem that I always end up having to deal with, we have a slight perception that we are our body and our thoughts, and that's a big problem when we hypothetically think about the idea of ​​teleportation, (and I want you to understand that teleportation is an excuse to get into the first question). If we create a teleportation machine where you enter it, have your body destroyed at the entrance and recreated at the exit, is the person who entered the teleportation the same person who came out on the other side?

Then we need to define what the individual is (which for me is the big question)... When I comment on individual thought I am referring to the thoughts that each person has within themselves, and when we say "I am something", "I am my actions", "I am my personality" we enter in a trap, because at that moment, there was a partial definition of what you are, and because it is partial you fall into stereotypes that you create (whether due to social or personal pressure).

And finally comes one last question, even if you change 100% of your way of being, and forget who you were, did you die?

There is no 'problem'—or metaphysical uncertainty—when it comes to defining reality and what an individual is. The problem only takes form when you conclude with a subjective and rationalized view on reality. Existence is identity, and consciousness is identification. A man is himself because of the physical composition of his body and because he is able to identify his body with his five senses through the use of deductive and inductive reasoning (which are essential components to logic).

He is of a certain character or expresses himself through a certain personality because he is able to form and retain concepts, create value-judgments by integrating these abstract concepts with emotion, and he is able to confirm the external world and describe its nature through abstract thinking (time, space, science, mathematics & esthetics) but again, only through the means of his senses and cognitive faculty. Whether he wants to blank-out and deny the metaphysical truth of his nature or not is up to his free will.

Every man is his body as well as his thoughts. The two are not exclusive to one another. If anything, the body takes primacy over the consciousness because the consciousness is literally a part of the body.

As for your question regarding teleportation: No, if the body is completely wiped out at some point through the process of teleportation, then it means it has reached a point of non-existence. It cannot be brought back to be the same, uninterrupted form of life, even if the body and mind were copied into existence in another location; the original cells and bodily functions would've ceased to perform self-sustained and self-generated action.

I am a little confused on what you mean by partial stereotyping, because as a human, you cannot just be without thought and will succeeding it. If it were so, your existence, values, and ability would be the equivalent to that of an animal's. Automatic. Unconscious.

Vento said:

And finally comes one last question, even if you change 100% of your way of being, and forget who you were, did you die?

I'll come back to this question once I have rested. Very sleep deprived ATM. > <;;

Musterwahn said: 

There is no 'problem'—or metaphysical uncertainty—when it comes to defining reality and what an individual is. The problem only takes form when you conclude with a subjective and rationalized view on reality. Existence is identity, and consciousness is identification. A man is himself because of the physical composition of his body and because he is able to identify his body with his five senses through the use of deductive and inductive reasoning (which are essential components to logic).

He is of a certain character or expresses himself through a certain personality because he is able to form and retain concepts, create value-judgments by integrating these abstract concepts with emotion, and he is able to confirm the external world and describe its nature through abstract thinking (time, space, science, mathematics & esthetics) but again, only through the means of his senses and cognitive faculty. Whether he wants to blank-out and deny the metaphysical truth of his nature or not is up to his free will.

Every man is his body as well as his thoughts. The two are not exclusive to one another. If anything, the body takes primacy over the consciousness because the consciousness is literally a part of the body.

Anchored in raw logic, you can reach the conclusion you had. In my view, you are the observer of the world, and your body is just a mechanism for the observer to observe, just as a telescope is an extension for the eyes, if it weren't for the observer, the flesh and body would just be randomly generated organic matter.

Since we are part of the universe, we can then say that the universe experiences itself. Now consciousness has to arise from somewhere, whether from the body or the soul, I don't know. If the body is the generator of consciousness, we are the body and what makes it up, if it is the soul, we are a greater and incorporeal factor of consciousness.

Musterwahn said: 

As for your question regarding teleportation: No, if the body is completely wiped out at some point through the process of teleportation, then it means it has reached a point of non-existence. It cannot be brought back to be the same, uninterrupted form of life, even if the body and mind were copied into existence in another location; the original cells and bodily functions would've ceased to perform self-sustained and self-generated action.

I am a little confused on what you mean by partial stereotyping, because as a human, you cannot just be without thought and will succeeding it. If it were so, your existence, values, and ability would be the equivalent to that of an animal's. Automatic. Unconscious.

When I quote about "a partial understanding" or "a partial definition" of "what you are", it is an expression that the person in this state of partial understanding really believes that they are something because of foreign stimuli... ( I apologize for the broken English, I'm still trying to learn) Generally these stimuli are affirmed and re-affirmed by ideological or cultural guidelines, family etc... My criticism of this is people who start to live in a dreamlike reality, accepting and living automatically, as you said.

About teleportation, for me the person needs to die to make logical sense, there is no teleportation without death, this leads us to a conversation about teleportation, but I don't know if I want to transform the whole topic lol, if you want to talk about it you can tell me in PV.

Musterwahn said: 

Vento said:

And finally comes one last question, even if you change 100% of your way of being, and forget who you were, did you die?

I'll come back to this question once I have rested. Very sleep deprived ATM. > <;;

 
I'm very happy that you're thinking about responding, I really enjoy talking to you, it's a shame it takes so long..

Goodnight, and sleep well.